Clarifying: Let me begin by saying I'm a fan of Ace, I have fun reading his blog, and usually I mostly agree with him. He has chosen to respond to one of my comments/emails/posting, referring to me as "some Dude" who wrote to him complaining of "context" and then posts in "response" . He is referring to my posting on Wright complete with video here which is quite long but I still believe that to be fully informed you should watch. Ace seems to think that I'm a bad guy and might even vote for Obama (as if voting for him is a crime against something). But is as usual with these web flame wars he chooses to eliminate one of my emails which explains how I think Wright is being twisted, by Ace and the rest of the Right, and that this twisting amounts to propaganda (untruthful and partially untrue statements presented as facts). Here is the email I sent him that he completely left out of his rant:
We are all creatures of our pasts (Americans are always on the alert for another Surprise Attack, Blacks are always fearful of being sent to a "plantation, Jews are fearful of being killed) and there will always be demagogues who will stir our pots if we are willing to let them.In my case one of my aunts was made into a lampshade from her death in some camp or other and a couple of my great uncles had numbers on their forearms. Now if I lived in Germany right now I would be always tempted to say "God Dam Germany," and after viewing the millions who zeig Heiled Hitler I would always be ready to say "fuck the German people." I know that the Germans are no longer the slavish followers of Nazism. I also know that anyone who dared challenge the Nazis would fall victim to the Nazi revenge system of killing "kith and kin" of all traitors (meaning that all children, parents and grand parents, uncles and aunts), and that there was some opposition to Hitler and the Nazis in spite of all this. I've read a lot about Claus von Stauffenberg and his attempt to kill Hitler etc. so there were people willing to risk "everything"----once the motherfuckers started losing.Were I a German today I might be the Reverend Wright of Hamburg, BUT that doesn't mean I wouldn't fight to defend the country.
I'd only amplify that Wright's prelude to the "God dam America" laid out certain things in our collective pasts like slavery, the deliberate elimination of Blacks from our Constitution, the internment of the Japanese Americans during WWII, and a few other things including the "soloution of the Indian question," as context for his God Dam America remark, which I don't think is all that unreasonable when his entire sermon and POV is considered.
3 comments:
Hmmmm.
1. I disagree with your view because Wright doesn't include any of the positives that America has done. He notes slavery but doesn't include the hundreds of thousands of Union soldiers who died ending slavery. Blacks weren't counted fully but that did change.
The Japanese were interned *but* we were at war and there was/is plenty of evidence that the Japanese immigrants were acting as a fifth column. A problem that, in large part, we're having with the Chinese today.
As for the Native Americans. Sorry but I have very very little sympathy for them. People like to wax eloquent about the primitive life and culture, but the reality is a lifespan that ends at 35 and a famine prone, lice-ridden existence.
Hmmmm.
Oh btw. Ace's blog is pretty famous, or infamous, for calling anybody who disagrees with the party line there a "moby".
I've been a fiscal conservative for more than 20+ years and a regular commenter at Ace's blog for at least 2-3 years and yet I still get accused of being a moby when I disagree with people.
Frankly it's childish, pathetic and rather irritating. No idea why I bother visiting there.
In addition to the specific acts for which Wright said God Damn America, he also said that America was acting as God. I agree with you that in context, that Wright speech was not as bad as all fulminated about.
(Obama was also right to point out that Wright neglected the american ability to re-invent itself.)
What really got me worked up was Pfleger's speech. Now that is fanning racial hatred, pure and simple.
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